Very Few Games Will Support The Xbox One Scorpio At Launch , And They May Not Run In 4K Says Pachter

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In the latest episode of Pachter Factor Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter while answering a question regarding whether he saw Sony upgrading its hardware to compete with the Scorpio ,said that he does not see Sony doing such a thing and that the Xbox One Scorpio will go by the same rules as PS4 Pro.



He also went on to say that every game on the PS4 Pro has to be backwards compatible with the PS4 , likewise Xbox One Scorpio games will have to be backwards compatible with the Xbox One.

Furthermore he went on to say that he thinks that very few games will support the Xbox One at launch , however he also went on to say that games which support PS4 Pro will definitely support Scorpio. He also believes that the games might not run at 4K ., but the games nonetheless will look sharper on your 4K display.

He went on to say that he believes that the PS4 Pro is not a true 4K console , but a high definition and high dynamic variant of it . Pachter also believes that he PS5 will come out somewhere around 2019 or 2020 , and the Xbox 2 will follow suit. What that means is that we will be getting a new console after a cycle of 3 years.



Pachter’s predictions in the past have been bit of a mixed bag , with many believing that he has the penchant to say something rather obvious. Like  the time he said that Sony has the best first party lineup than anybody else, yet we know for a fact that the Scorpio will be the most powerful console in existence. However there is still a debate regarding true 4K , and while Pachter believes the Pro is not a true 4K console , he is also suggesting  that might also be the case with Scorpio.



So what do you make of Pachter’s latest statements? let us know by commenting in the comments section below.

 

  • Robert Grandidier

    Regarding “He also believes that the games might not run at 4K”, that’s not because Scorpio can’t/won’t support it, it’s because most game developers won’t build their games to display in 4K right away, just a guess, but for PS4 Pro the hardware can’t support true 4K.

    • Hvd

      ill say its still way to early for 4k.id be happy with 1080p/60fps on every game on xbox scorpio.but i will not support mid gen consoles and will wait for xbox two to launch in 3 more years.

      i feel sad for the people who bought a ps4 pro when sony will launch the ps5 in 2 years when they are getting destroyed by the xbox scorpio then we will get the xbox two.

      im fine waiting 3 more years for xbox two.remember mid get means middle of the cycle which is 6 years.so we will have xbox two in 3 years and ps5 in 2 since its getting destroyed by the scorpio at launch..lmao

      • datdude

        LOL. Some of these weirdos still believe Scorpio is going to be some magic machine that stops Sony’s domination. Meanwhile, all Sony keeps doing is producing game of the year contender after game of the year contender, with more on the way and no real end in sight. Yikes…..some of these folks really are desperate to whisper to themselves, “it’s going to be ok, it’s going to be ok, it’s going to get better, it has to get better”. Wow. Delusion, thy name is Hvd.

        • Edonus

          Game of the year is subjective. There are more people playing Halo 5 than all of Ps4 GOTY nominations since launch. Sony makes a bunch of one offs…… that’s why if I got one it would be my secondary system. I think the delusions fall on the people that think Ps4 covers all the bases and is not lacking anywhere or at least that it can be perceived that way and legitimately backed up.

          Scorpio is just going to be a better piece of hardware than the Ps4/Ps4Pro….. that is the same thing that got Ps4 to the position of dominating for the last 3 years. This does not mean people are going to go run out buying Scorpios in droves….. it just means that its is a more capable system.

          And its hard for some to understand that the X1 does not need to dominate Sony to be a good machine or even better. You can answer back when they Ps4 has an exclusive running on dedicated servers.

          • Hvd

            dont bother with him it makes no sense to talk to blind ponies you should know this by now…lol

          • datdude

            Sony pony dominates junkless xbot every day of the week. Truth hurts, eh std?

          • Makaveli2

            The thing is Sony has been satisfied with the console they launched and have since been focusing on games. Ps pro is mainly for ps vr improvements and not really focused on 4K.
            They have a great product already and are focusing on it. Xbox been playing catchup since the beginning since they weren’t satisfied with the product they launch. Instead of making the kinetic a perphial like the ps vr they made it mandatory which killed them in competing in power and price.
            They are trying to make up for it, which in effect is taking a lot of their time and can’t go out and get gaming deals. Mean while Sony is getting gaming deals.
            E3 Xbox is going to show the Scorpio but with games we expect already. While Sony will probably show a unexpected game that blows people away like a new AAA title in VR.

            Also this whole bragging about the Scorpio for the yr even before it’s out. Seems Sony can just do the same and leak some info on ps5 when Scorpio launches that blows Scorpio specs outta the waters. They don’t even have to have a release date and just say we are working on the next generation system that will blow all current consoles out of the water which is pretty much what Scorpio has been doing.

          • datdude

            Yes folks….this poor critter just brought up the average, broken mess that is Halo 5 as his example. Yikes. They really are desperate. Poor things.

          • Edonus

            Somebody done let the pony out the stable again. Halo 5 is the most refined game created on consoles ever. If you cant see that you deserve to stay in the Pony stable until glue making day comes.

          • datdude

            Sony pony dominates junkless xbot every day of the week. Truth hurts.

        • Hvd

          move along ponie move along common sense only move along.

        • Ken Ohki

          At this time, I have concerns for XBO’s 2017 lineup. Yes, it’s still early I get that, but Microsoft does not have enough well-known and established IPs to compete with Sony’s growing list of exclusives, which may or may not be duds, I get that too. The point is, when you compare the list of MS and Sony and see a far longer for Sony, the XBO looks less and less appealing. With most games becoming console agnostic, exclusives will be a growing decision point for spending $300 or $400 dollars. I used to work at Toys R Us during the Saturn, N64 and PS1 days. As the list of Sony’s games grew, less and less people were asking about the Saturn (vendor space is moot since it’s dependent on how much a vendor wants to pay for space) and more and more about the exclusives Sony and N64 had coming out. Did that mean Saturn and N64 had junk games? No, it simply meant Sony had more to offer, regardless of quality, and big name exclusives. Nintendo had the same (Mario, Zelda, Star Fox). Sonic and Virtua series weren’t enough to keep Saturn in the game. Look back even further at Genesis vs SNES. Several popular games were on both consoles (Street Fighter II, Contra), but I remember my friends buying SNES for Zelda or a Genesis for Phantasy Star 2 because those titles were exclusives. If MS hasn’t already or does not gain some serious exclusive IPs and soon, I don’t see them as anything but a distant second place to Sony.

        • greatnessIsaLIE

          You sound scared. It’s OK dude. Your Playstation will catch up to Scorpio when ps5 comes out…maybe…until then enjoy your 1080p or 1440p 30fps bwahahaha.
          These games you talk about no one buys. The ps4 will be lucky to have 5 games that exceed 5million in sales by the end of the generation. What they have one exclusive so far….that’s it. If these games were that great or even relevant then maybe people would buy them.
          When e3 comes around you will finally see the truth. If rumors are true both Sony and pcs are in trouble. Well when it comes to performance of course. Sales I don’t know. Only time will tell.

          • Makaveli2

            You think Scorpio will be put high end pc in trouble. Bro whatever the Scorpio launches is already weaker then the latest greatest gpu in the market now. But nothing wrong with that those CPU code like $1800 and up. They make gpu for pc first then then they shrink em to fit into consoles and notebooks.

          • greatnessIsaLIE

            Only time will tell. We will see when the scorpio is revealed. But if the dev kit rumors are true then it maybe possible. Right now the og ps4 and xb1 are more powerful than 85 percent of pcs on steam. The pc master race is a very small community most pc gamers are around the ps4 In performance. If Microsoft takes the easy route like the ps4 pro then it has not chance,but if it creates a custom piece of hardware like the 360 back in the day then it will be 100 percent possible to surpass the latest pc hardware.

          • Makaveli2

            I agree not a lot of people have the high end gaming rig but what I’m saying is no matter when you go out and spend $2000 on a gaming pc will always be ahead of the current generation console. What I’m getting from the op is he thinks when Scorpio launches it will be the same and even better then the high end gaming pcs, which I’m saying won’t be the case. You get what you pay for though.

          • Makaveli2

            There’s also more flexibility with pcs. You can get dual video cards and stick more ram. When that happens it will run circles around consoles. I don’t care how optimized the consoles are going to be the power will just not be able to compete with a machine where price is not a issue.

          • Makaveli2

            I’m running a gtx 970 is not even the latest greatest and it more powerful then og xbox one and PS4. I’ve actually heard the Scorpio will be closer to a gtx 970 then a gtx 1070. When I upgrade in about a yr or so it’ll beat the Scorpio in pretty sure of that.

          • greatnessIsaLIE

            It will be close to that in specs but much higher in performance. We just have to wait and see.
            If rumors are true the Scorpio will be equivalent to a 9 or 10tf pc.
            I know what you are saying is true and thats good that you can upgrade to get the performance you want, but can you get 9tflops with 500 to 600 bucks?
            We will see at e3.
            I probably wrong but details are leaking all over the place. Who knows what’s true or isnt. At worst it’s still a decent console at 6tf.

          • Makaveli2

            I’m going to get a 300-400 gpu in about 1.5yr . I’m sure it’ll be more powerful then a Scorpio gpu then. I still won’t need to upgrade my CPU then but I’ll probably upgrade CPU in 2-2.5 yrs.

          • Colten

            Are you serious? I have both consoles, XBONE is a dust collector. Have you seen the sales numbers? I don’t understand you fanboys. It’s plain and simple proven that Sony had crushed Microsoft this cycle. Games nobody buys? OK… You’re a joke.

          • greatnessIsaLIE

            You use sales as an example but forget to point out that most ps4 exclusives flopped. OK you’re a joke. I have every console ever released. I have more versions of the ps1 than you even know exist.
            That garbage as game halo 5 flopped so ant game that doesn’t reach those numbers is also a flop. Come on now use your own advice.

          • datdude

            LOL. Yup, scared alright. Scared for Scorpio, because no matter what, xbox games will look, and perform better……….on my pc. I’m absolutely shook. LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL!!!!!

            Poor things. They’re gutted they can’t play Sony exclusives, and are desperately clinging to hope a box that won’t even run the best versions of the games available for it will save them!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

          • greatnessIsaLIE

            What are you talking about. You sound like trump all paranoid. It’s cool I play games on pc as well and have been for over 20 years. It’s cool man I was playing in 4k over a year ago. My pc can run games as high as 8k most at 5k. I see your point but I was talking to a pony not a pc elite wannabe.

          • datdude

            LOL. You don’t own jack. You’re one of those poor unfortunates that talks, talks, talks and never does anything in reality. The pc I bought my mother would probably run rings around whatever you claim you have, to say nothing of my personal rigs. Stop your nonsense son. 8k. At 150 hz and up I’m sure. What a mo’.

          • greatnessIsaLIE

            I have one of the biggest video game collections in the world.
            I basically own everything.
            You can believe it or not it won’t change anything. You can laugh as hard as you want but you still don’t know jack. Go play on your off the shelf pc you pc elite wannabe.

          • datdude

            When your chosen username contains the word LIE, capitalized, no less, that says all anyone needs to know about you. Good luck with your significant mental impairments.

      • Edonus

        To me this entire gen has been about splitting hairs. None of the resolution and frame rate stuff ever made a better game to me. I believe that since the 360/Ps3 era this style of gaming was perfected meaning that devs can make any game a person could imagine since then.The only thing would be the fidelity level but the game would be the same.

        When Ps5 launches the highest level of fidelity will be 4k. The X1 scorpio is just getting a leap on it but since all the games will be the same (are they really)? I think gaming has really screwed up it trajectory with the negative media onslaught of motion controls and now VR. By now gamers should be fluent and skilled in all forms of motion controls from kinect style gestures to waggle controls to those weird oculus rift controllers.

        I Like what MS is doing with the cloud and creating living worlds but that is a subtle enhancement. Most gamers today dont even understand the significance of what Warzone in Halo 5 and Horde mode in Gears 4 or the depth of Forzas AI…. The full destructible world of Crackdown is a lot more in your face so maybe that will ring the bell.

        Anyway the point is I dont see MS coming with another system for a long time and Ps5 will only be as capable as the Scorpio (if the Sorpio actually hit the marks its suppose to).

        • Ken Ohki

          If MS can get all their developers on board with XBO/Windows crossover, it could be a potential game changer. Buying one title for two hardware setups would be amazing. I love the fact that while my XBO is down, I can still play GoW4 with friends. However, with two major graphics card manufacturers and no true standardized graphics library for them, it would be difficult, but amazing if it happened.

      • Makaveli2

        There’s already been an Xbox 2 it’s called 360

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  • The truth-ier

    news story out of a analyst guess…waste of time.

  • Hvd

    why do people pay this guy for what he thinks now or days?he has already shown he is an idiot and is getting a bad rep for it so much no one will believe him on anything soon…lmao

  • ShowanW

    why is Patcher still taken seriously is beyond me…

  • kreator

    XBOX SCORPIO IS USING ZEN PERIOD….. SR5 RYZEN CPU @ 2.8ghz 8 cores 8 threads
AMD VEGA CUSTOM GPU @ 977 MHZ 6.2 teraflops, 12gb GDDR5x RAM 320gb per second bandwidth, WILL RUN ALL GAMES AT PC ULTRA QUALITY EQUIVALENT NATIVE 4K 60fps period……… Listen I have absolute 100% inside factual information from a very close acquaintance of mine who has been working with an official Xbox Scorpio dev kit which his development team received from Microsoft back in November 2016. The developer is from a major 1st party studio and the information he has provided me is 100% accurate.

    The developer confirmed that the 343 industries developer who a few weeks ago publicly stated how the Xbox Scorpio was far more beefier than originally expected was absolutely correct as the console wasn’t downgraded at all but rather the exact opposite. The Xbox Scorpio is using a brand new completely custom console only specific architecture that’s using an all new rendering method which allows for an ultra efficient almost ZERO LATENCY communication between the system CPU & GPU which allows for a nearly 60% higher graphical rendering performance when compared to what’s currently available on Pc graphics cards and or current game consoles.

    The new architecture essentially allows for the Xbox Scorpio to take 6 teraflops worth of GPU compute power and render that 6 teraflops at 60% higher than the exact same Pc graphics card in a Pc which means that the Xbox Scorpio 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER IS EQUIVALENT TO a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card. The new custom architecture was developed in collaboration between Microsoft & AMD designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio and the new communication method IS 100% fully patented from Microsoft specifically for the Xbox Scorpio. The way in which Microsoft was able to develop and patent this new custom architecture was because Microsoft funded nearly 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA in exchange for not jus the ability to develop and patent this brand new custom console only architecture communication method specifically for Xbox Scorpio only but in addition Microsoft also in return was able to secure an extremely cost efficient price on the new Xbox Scorpio chipsets from AMD WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% ZEN/VEGA based chipsets. The CPU inside the Xbox Scorpio is an 8 CORE RYZEN SUMMIT RIDGE R5 CPU @ 2.8ghz, and the graphics chip inside Xbox Scorpio is a custom designed AMD VEGA GPU 6.2 teraflop GPU @ 970mhz.

    The Xbox Scorpio is also using 12gb of gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth. Those specs are the exact specs and exact hardware that’s currently used inside the Xbox Scorpio dev kits as they are all using early engineering samples of both the RYZEN CPU & VEGA GPU. I was also informed that currently right now developers have numerous games that are currently up and running on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits. The games that I was told so far which are being tested n benchmarked that are currently running NATIVE 4K 60fps on Xbox Scorpio dev kits are as follows……. DOOM 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent)BATTLEFIELD 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent) HALO 5 (4K 60fps Xbox One equivalent) WITCHER 3 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent) FALLOUT 4 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent) Those games are all currently running at NATIVE 4K on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits, and while they’re definitely more games being tested n benchmarked internally by different development teams I was told that the ones I listed above are the only games that my sources own personal development team has seen 1st hand running NATIVE 4K 60fps.

    I was informed that the reason 343 industries developer came out and publicly expressed the fact that Xbox Scorpio was far beefier than originally expected isn’t because the hardware itself is beefier or upgraded but BECAUSE DEVELOPERS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA THAT MICROSOFT & AMD had developed a brand new custom architecture that’s console specific for XBOX SCORPIO which is why so far apparently the system is running NATIVE 4K 60fps at the Pc ultra setting equivalent without even putting the hardware under full load where essentially Xbox Scorpio dev kits are rendering these games at NATIVE 4K 60fps with a lot of wiggle room as the hardware isn’t being pushed anywhere near its full capabilities as the new architecture is the biggest jump in graphical rendering power efficiency since the Xbox 360 launched with a custom and Radeon GPU which had the first ever unified memory architecture that wasn’t available on Pc graphics cards at the time which is why when Xbox 360 launched there wasn’t a Pc graphics card on the market that could compete with Xbox 360 for nearly 18 months until Pc graphics cards started to adopt the new unified graphics architecture at which point that’s when Pc caught back up and surpassed consoles. I was told that this time around Pc graphics cards won’t be able to adopt this new architecture AS MICROSOFT HAS FULLY PATENTED THIS NEW ARCHITECTURE AS XBOX SCORPIO CONSOLE SPECIFIC which means neither Pc nor PlayStation will be able to use and or develop graphics chipsets using this new architecture as it’s fully custom and designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio.

    The last thing I wanna share is that at least in the case of my specific source I was told that internally when testing and benchmarking the Xbox Scorpio dev kits the graphical rendering performance is on par with the NVIDIA TITAN X PASCAL in terms of 4K rendering power and that’s using an early engineering sample of the RYZEN/VEGA chipset which I was told the final chipset used in Xbox Scorpio will be roughly 15% more power efficient than what’s being used in the dev kit as AMD are still tweaking and optimizing the specific APU being used for Xbox Scorpio.

    I was also informed that in addition to the overall graphics rendering power Xbox Scorpio also has the absolute fastest GAMING CPU in the world right now as the RYZEN CPU IS THE 8 core 8 thread R5 version and it’s faster in both single core and multi threaded applications than the intel i7-6900k CPU and while Xbox Scorpio isn’t getting the RYZEN r7 CPU which has 8 cores 16 threads I was told it honestly won’t make any difference for Xbox Scorpio, however the 8 core 8 thread R5 version is significantly cheaper and vastly more power efficient than the highest end 8 core 16 thread R7 version and that’s why Microsoft has chosen to run with the RYZEN R5 version with 8 cores 8 threads ALTHOUGH I WAS TOLD XBOX SCORPIO GAMES WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE 8 extra virtual cores as those will be locked down and fully reserved specifically to run the system software and all background tasks etc……… (Edited info I was mistaken about how the cores would be used and or locked as I’ve confirmed with my source the R5 RYZEN 8 core 8 threads will have some sort of virtual cores even though it doesn’t make sense as it doesn’t have 16 threads however I was told it’s some custom version of the CHIP where it does contain 8 virtual cores being used somehow to run the operating system and background tasks although my source couldn’t confirm exactly how this works only that they are using a tweaked version of the SR5 RYZEN but somehow contains extra virtual cores so don’t hold me to the details as I’m not 100% clear on this yet as to how it works only that it’s definitely SR5 RYZEN 97 watts 8 core 8 thread 2.8ghz)

    I wanna finally end what I’ve said by saying the last bit of information which I was told was that with Xbox Scorpio and its new architecture which will enable the 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER INSIDE XBOX SCORPIO to be the equivalent of a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card but also I was told that because of the nature of development for a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level console API I was told that the optimization for this console will enable Xbox Scorpio to have a very serious initial advantage over even the most expensive ultra high end gaming computers and because of the patent on the new custom console specific Xbox Scorpio only architecture the developer community pretty much all agree that this initial advantage could hold strong for at least 18 to 24 months and so yea I’m sure ok get all sorts of flack and pissed off Pc master race haters talking shit about what I’ve said but TRUST ME GUYS WHAT IVE SAID IS ABSOLUTELY THE REAL DEAL AND APPARENTLY MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING DETAILS REGARDING THE NEW RYZEN/VEGA APU and also the new custom patented Xbox Scorpio architecture sometime around and or at this years upcoming E3 convention (EDITED 2/17/17 If you guys look back I’ve been copying and pasting this exact information for nearly a month and how just as I’ve said MICROSOFT CAME OUT A FEW DAYS AGO SAYING THE SCORPIO WILL BE REVEALED AROUND E3 and so obviously that should confirm what I said right above this about them revealing SCORPIO EITHER SHORTLY BEFORE OR SHORTLY AFTER E3……..Fyi also guys THE LAUNCH PRICE WILL BE $599.00 dollars and believe me this kind of technology n power n capabilities are more than worth this price…..

    • Triton

      This is impressive if true.

    • Ken Ohki

      Impressive yes. One thing many people don’t consider is that PC games are rarely programmed to take full advantage of graphics cards. Case in point, real-time rendering short movie running on a GTX 980 in the Unity engine running at 1440p (YouTube Adam Unity demo). Older case in point, the Xbox 360. It’s quite old but still capable of impressive graphics. If this is a custom architecture, the choke point will be the developers and how well they can learn it and exploit it for all its worth. In regards to games not running at 4K on launch, I’ve seen the year of “learning the console” immediately after a console release since the Saturn, PS and N64. It’s that year after you get your new, just released console but the games still look like last generation because the devs found it easier (cheaper) to clone a title to run on the old and new rather than program two different versions. I would be surprised if any game ran at 4K to be honest. At least not until every house had a 4K TV. So, if all of the above is true and devs take full advantage of it, this could be a good thing.

      • kreator

        Exactly!

    • acooper5

      Did your source tell you anything about it being a steam box. Because it would be a great one and the exclusive hole is really too deep at this point. Also, I don’t think Microsoft wants to invest money at the same rate for exclusives as Sony especially with many of them failing to receive highly positive critical acclaim.

    • greatnessIsaLIE

      I’ve heard the same exact thing but didn’t know what to think. If true it will be amazing. I’m still keeping my ps4 but only for that one or two good games it gets per year. Last year we got uncharted…………………………and…………………………well crap that was it.

      • kreator

        ??

      • Chris J Williams

        PS has alot of games. Just because you wanted one game doesn’t mean that was the only game made. And Xbox with all the power in the world still don’t have any games because you can play every one of them on a better pc and pc will always be the best to game on just not the cheapest to game on and that’s why consoles were made and so if Xbox wants to make a console that’s as powerful as a PC and have all the games on a PC and there console and it be expensive why not just get the PC so you can play all games and keep it up to date? I like all games and if I could afford it I’d buy everything because I give no fucks about which is better or worse even a Wii u as long as your gaming and Happy that’s all that matters.

    • Makaveli2

      I’m friends with a guy who’s father is best friends with a board of director at Microsoft and he says they’ve been talking about pulling out of the console business and just focus on Xbox live on pc. They are saying the Scorpio probably be the last Xbox console.

      • kreator

        Oh cool…?

  • Triton

    Every time this Pachter charachter speaks his mind im astounded if he’s not on some kind of drugs.

  • Cigi

    What a joke. There is so much false statement in this that it is just disturbing. Where is he getting all this. I feel sorry for a guy that should be living of knowing the gaming industry

  • Bukowski

    MS told they do not believe 2-3 year cycle would be good for anyone, it is likely they go all-in with Scorpio when it comes to power. How would they get out of the current situation if they would not just start a new generation and leave the whole field wondering what happened.

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